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[CrApHeR]

I have an opinion about this.
I don't know how hack ApreTon Angus's Account but:
- Angus kills Branflake's ghost and it in rules doesn't allowed
- I see Ice killing Characters (in dungeon, not in town) with lvl 30.  It is bad.  It is a battle winned by Ice before start.  Ice has an excellent stuff (he is fighting with Morgoth) and a character with lvl 30 is in level 1400-1800 with an good stuff (else it would be fighting with Morgoth too).  I don't try to defend to anybody but both things are bad.
- Branflake publish an Angus's House with a lot of uniques objects and save artifacts is not allowed because exists only one.
I think that we have to see all the things before to do or say nothing.

We don't forget the post that some of them add to the forum.  It say this "I am very unstable, some days I get up and I kill you other days I help you"  Why?

I don't have problems with anybody, but i think that all player was bad.
We are playing without problems before this and now must watch for all sides so that they don't kill to us.

What do you think about?

CrApHeR

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[quote author=Murdin link=board=rescue;num=1140575420;start=0#13 date=02/22/06 at 15:53:30]Okay, so you hacked/guessed your way into the account, working outside the rules of the game. This is not a true victory of any sort, but an abuse because your revenge takes place outside the theoretical bounds of the game.

In order for any act of revenge for an in-game act to be considered even remotely justified or appropriate it must follow the same rules that everyone else abides by inside the game. While it is not particuarilly nice of BigJuan or Ice to PK, they do it in a method which is "fair" and accessible to anyone else by engaging in proper combat within the scope of MAngband. If you die, it's because they're playing the game better than you are (and have beter equipment, but that's another part of the way the current rules of the game are structured).

When you hack or unfairly access someone else's account, you break the rules. You are cheating, by the standards of the game, and nobody should support your actions in this case.

This angers me more than any act of legitimate PKing ever could.[/quote]

i'm not totally accord of that, ask branflake, I think in deep he is happy of the new that angus is death.
Remember that he is a winner, remeber that he was playing for too long  more than others..

They don't try to kill fink level 50 mage with several years in carrer . they try to kill branflakes.

This is abuse, is not fair.
Is not fair hacking, i know.. but is an act of justice.

[CrApHeR]

Angus's machine could be hacked too.  Is other option

CrApHeR

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

Not likely.  Not even remotely.

Good theory, however, but not likely.

[CrApHeR]

is ok....
but can be an option.

i think that PKs may exists, but PKs can killl other players with similar conditions (lvl +- 3 for example) because the difference is important.

It is not possible kill players in Town. The Town is a secure area.

Example 1: Ice can kill a lvl 50 char, but he don't kill a lvl 30 char or lvl 40 char.
Example 2: I can kill a lvl 30 player but i can't kill a lvl 20 player, but i can kill a lvl 40 player. (i'm suicider if i make it, but i can).
Example 3: Ghost cannot be killed.  It is kill a newbie player, ghost hasn't stuff.  

this is my opinion... Sorry for my poooor english ... it isn't my first language.

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

Well, work on it, wouldja?  I hate trying to figure out what people say who don't speak fluent English.

(Kidding  :P)

[Jinx]

Well, exist other option, IMHO.

Start another server, or another instance with different port,  with different rules. If u want pkilling, logon in server "A", for example, if u don't, u have an option. u choose.

[ApreTon]

Murdin:

You right, I think in same way that you, but Ice, yesterday, said "i nuke the server when i'm in hard situation". Yesterday, many player were witnesses of this (i remeber G'narak, Zeb, and others that can't remeber). Some times the client crash down.
Then, I use the same rules (unfair how you said) than Ice.
Why my action is diferent than ice?.

The method used be me, is my. You can make theories!!!!

Ice, you are cowardly and cheating, you leave many people them defend to you.

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

Neat-o!  I'm glad you're completely fabricating things now...it helps provide a good barometer as to the things that you can make up.

I have no doubt that Crimson's watching this thread, and also have no doubt that he can (and probably will/already has) checked the log of exactly what was said, and will find no such things said.

Good try though.

As far as being defended...I'm sure that while some people will grumble about my actions, every one of them will say that what I did was legit, or, at the VERY least, possible for THEM to do as well.

So, needless to say, I'm rather offended at the label of cheator.  As Angus has said, we bend the rules, but stay within the bounds of the game, and if Crimson says to do something else (like stop pkilling in town), we adhere to the new rules.

[CrApHeR]

We need to wait Crimson's decision.  BigJuan, we are playing in peace.  You break any rules, IMHO.  We want to play without PKs.  Do you want to play without kill players?  If you accept this, we need only speak with crimson to restore Angus char and ApreTon char.

But, the rules may change before this.  In my case, i want to play with you (and other players) i dont fight with you.  You are very stronger and u can kill any player.  

I think that game objetive is kill to Morgoth.  what is your opinion about this?

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

You're right, one objective is to kill Morgoth.  I fully agree with you there.

However, another objective is to be the king of the hill, so to speak.  THAT one is far more interesting and fun for me than killing Morgoth.  Not that I'm not trying to kill Morgy, but perhaps you misunderstand.  I see two sides to this game, and I enjoy both sides.  Some don't, and that's entirely their choice, but they must realize that as it currently is, even if they don't want to, they're participating in both sides every time they dive or leave town.  Good, bad, or ugly.

As far as breaking rules, I do nothing of the sort.  I will continue to play as I have until Crimson says otherwise.

You'll also note that I haven't killed anyone since ApreTon or whatever.  I've saved several people, and had the chance at a few people but didn't attack them.  So, please, quit trying to make it sound like I attack everyone on sight as quickly as I can...it's simply not true.

But thanks for the thought...it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  ;D

[CrApHeR]

OK.  For example, you rescue Jinx in 2000 yesteday, and you dont give any WoR or a weapon.  He is scared.  2000 is too deep for him and without Weapon, i don't want to think it.
You inspect Jinx's Staff searching Angus's gear.  We don't have anything.
I know it because Jinx is my friend and i speak with him.  I rescue him in 2000, i'm very scared because is too deep for me, but i haven't other option.

Is too difficult gain experience and it take a lot of time of my life, and i don't want lose it because a PK kill me.

It's true that you don't kill nobody in the last days, but before than it, you kill players.

i have a question (it's non agressive question ;D).  do you take things from Jinx's staff? (because he losed a lot of things, weapon for example)

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

[quote author=CrApHeR link=board=rescue;num=1140575420;start=15#26 date=02/22/06 at 19:27:57]OK.  For example, you rescue Jinx in 2000 yesteday, and you dont give any WoR or a weapon.

i have a question (it's non agressive question ;D).  do you take things from Jinx's staff? (because he losed a lot of things, weapon for example)[/quote]


I did?  Upes...if I don't leave a WoR or something, lemme know.  I usually do.  Ask some of the other people I've rescued, I've often brought a ring of speed down with me so they could borrow it so they wouldn't take all day to get back to their gear.  Sometimes I forget...so if I rescue you, and I forget to give you a WoR or something, it's not a slight...just tell me, and I'll be right back down.

And no, I didn't take any staves.  There's only two types of staves I want, and the only other player I've seen with 'em are Angus.  That's not to say others don't have 'em, it's just to say that there weren't any when I rescued him.

[Big_Juan_Teh_Furby]

[quote author=ApreTon link=board=rescue;num=1140575420;start=15#27 date=02/22/06 at 21:42:15]

Free spanish lesson.

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While you're up, gimme a chalupa.

[Avenger]

Apre, no one can understand what you are saying. From what I can understand, it seems you are disrespecting two of our veteran players and abusing the game. You are also using inappropriate language on these forums(kids do play this game too). If you have a problem with someone, make a legible post which is not abusive. If you can't write English very well(which you obviously can't) get help from a friend or at least run it through an online translation site before posting. There are other players who do not use English fluently, but they at least try to make themselves understood, and they generally are respectful and abide by the rules of the game.
If you want to play MAngband, play it legitimately and respectfully, and we will be more than happy to have you as a part of our community. If not, we do not need you any more than we needed Kull(who has at least had the courtesy to move to another server and stop abusing other players).
Thank you.